Takeover Unfiltered

Brianna Rooney:
All right. So let's get right into it on our second episode on the 12 stages of burnout. Um, this is exciting cuz last week we had a lot of fun with this. I hope you got a lot of value. Um, and we're just gonna get right in it. Cause it only gets meteor. What do you think, Taylor?

Taylor Bradley:
Um, well I love this one. I love the 12 stages of burnout. Cause as I mentioned last time, I didn't even know there was 12 stages until I, I experienced it and I'm like, holy. You know? So, um, I really think this is a really valuable two part episode for any individual, regardless of whatever industry you're in everyone experiences burnout. I do think you can even experience it in your personal life mm-hmm so, um, definitely stay on and listen to our broke to boss tip of the week and uh, let's get right into it with stage seven,

Brianna Rooney:
Welcome to talent takeover

Taylor Bradley:
Unfiltered.

Brianna Rooney:
When it comes to working hard and keeping it real. We know our. Self-care happiness, inner peace and time. I'm Brianna Rooney and this is Taylor Bradley. Hey y'all and we have thrived in chaos and turned it into in art form. So Taylor, what are we doing here today?

Taylor Bradley:
We're here to give you a raw under the hood view of all things recruiting and finally give credit where credit is due to a long underrated industry. That's full of quote unquote experts.

Brianna Rooney:
All right. Well then let's take this show to the road,

Taylor Bradley:
Right? So stage seven, you would draw from social life and your family as well. And I would love to know if you've ever done this.

Brianna Rooney:
Absolutely

Taylor Bradley:
okay. Cause I feel like, but I feel like you're very, you know, what you need, like, like I just said, I experienced these stages for the first time in my life this past year and it's something I could have totally stopped, but I did even know the signs of them. You know what I mean? And I've never, or maybe I've never gotten that deep into burnout, but I was so focused and so excited about work. And so just like, that's what I wanted to pour my energy and everything into that. I did start withdrawing from social things and would work on weekends and evenings and you know, whatever it wasn't my time to have the kids or whatnot. I would just work and work, work, work. Mm-hmm because that's what, that's what I felt like was fulfilling to me at the time. Not realizing that it was actually doing the exact opposite because in that moment I didn't feel that way.

Brianna Rooney:
Yeah, no for sure. And you never feel like that in the moment. It's always like the reflection. Um, well, why don't you read through the stages like we did last time and then we'll just hit hit these because it's it's it's gonna be a lot

Taylor Bradley:
yeah, no, I gotta look excited there. Sorry guys. Oh

Brianna Rooney:
No, no you got

Taylor Bradley:
It. I was like this one, cause this was the turning point for me. Yeah. So stage seven you would draw from your social life and your family as well. Stage eight, your behavior changes, which upsets your loved ones. Stage nine deep per personalization happens. You do not feel like yourself. Stage 10, you feel empty and numb substance abuse can occur. Stage 11, you feel depressed, lost, and completely exhausted. Stage 12 when it's all gone to. You mentally and physically collapse full on burnout.

Brianna Rooney:
Wow. Yeah. Um, so for me, stage nine, um, is, is the one that relates to me the most. And that has happened to me in the last few months. Um, you do not feel like yourself. I think it's bad. So I, I, I talk very openly that I have an exec coach. She's fricking awesome. I wish, um, anyone out there, I, you definitely need someone. I, I know we talked about in the last, uh, last two episodes, but you need someone to talk to. And I think at the time it kind of feels like that's an obvious thing, but I didn't get that until later on in my career, probably about like three years ago. If I would've had that in my arsenal, I think I would be in it probably in a much different place. Um, but she was even like, you're right. and like, and I was thinking to myself, I feel right.

Brianna Rooney:
Like you like what? Like what's going on. But I have had those moments where people ask me if I'm okay. And I like at, at sometimes I'm kind of like offended. It's like, what do I not look okay. Like, am I not, you know, like what do I gotta go put some more makeup on more Botox? What is this? Um, but yeah, but then you have that moment. You're like, God, maybe I'm not okay. And that's like the whole it's okay to not be okay. Thing, but how often it starts to happen. And I did not relate it to burnout.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. It's interesting how you mm-hmm, how you don't know what happens. And for me as you know this already, but it wasn't until literally stage 12 when I was hospitalized like you mentally and physically collapsed full burnout. It literal, I was hospitalized. It took that for me to realize, and then burnout and the different stages. It was almost like a diagnosis I gave myself of like, oh my God, Taylor, like you could, you saw the sign, you could have stopped this in its tracks. And I wanna, I, I can't stress it up. The burnout is, it was something that I should have controlled better. It was something that I should have self-regulated better because I was making the choice. I'm not a victim of my choices. I was making the choice to do these things, but still thinking, oh yeah, it's positive. I'm working towards this one thing.

Taylor Bradley:
They just don't get it. I've just got this goal. And then it wasn't until I just had this moment where I got knocked on my and stopped dead in my tracks. And I had to reevaluate a lot of things that I was like, okay, I've experienced every single one of these stages and I could have stopped it if I had practiced more self care vacation, all of the things that you're so good about preaching out to our org to do. Um, and I was encouraging, I wasn't living by those things either. Yeah. I was having higher and different. And Mo just my expectations for myself personally and professionally were not even realistic. Mm-hmm and that was something I had to reevaluate. Like what are you working towards? Because what the path I was going down, I wouldn't never been complacent and maybe that's just not who I am anyway.

Taylor Bradley:
I don't get complacent, but I would've never been satisfied, I guess I should say, because there was always something else I wanted to do or achieve and just keep going. So it's really, I think it goes back to us stopping as leaders and celebrating the wins and what we have accomplished. Mm-hmm and, and really just taking a step back and taking a day here or there, you know, like I've told myself, okay, Taylor, you need to take at least one day off every three months, which people are probably like, oh, that's, that's not, but you'd be surprised. It's something that I just keep going and going because I like to work. And so it, you do too. Like we, like,

Brianna Rooney:
I love, I love working. Yeah. I love what I do. Yeah.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. But you sometimes need to, I break and be like, like we said, no phones focused on family. Mm-hmm like, it's nice to have those refreshers that you don't even know you need that could totally help you with the stages of burnout that you don't even know you're feeling yet, but they'll help you to not advance further in the stages. They'll stop it. And it's tracks. That makes sense. Yeah.

Brianna Rooney:
No, that's interesting. First of all, I am going to Mexico in a couple weeks for a week and I will be leaving my phone in there, so yay. Yes. Um, but I I'm, uh, you hit me, you hit me with something really interesting. And so in recruiting and definitely I did this when I had, um, techies, which was an agency. Um, we had a ton of different comp competitions. Like, you know, uh, we very much get pegged as salespeople when you're recruiters, but we wanna hope that we're salespeople to have souls because we are, you know, we are affecting like such a cool aspect of people's life. Um, you know, it's what makes the world go around. And so we put all that stuff in place, but then what's interesting is as you get higher up, as you get more and more a players on the team, do you then have that moment where it's like, you don't stop and you just work harder and harder because it's like, you're constantly comparing yourself and you're constantly trying to up your game.

Brianna Rooney:
Like I think of, um, just you and I, for example, uh, we had this interesting conversation yesterday where it's like, Hey, are we like, and it's not negative. Are we the clash of the Titans? Are we like, yeah. Are we in this, like in this world together? And we're both literally can do and are great at very similar things. How do someone like us coexist? And I think that's interesting because as you are working with better and better people, you have to find where that exists. And there has to be, sometimes there's a reason why you see ABC players in companies because it's easier to coexist. And when you're hiring and as a recruiter, that can be frustrating because all our companies say they want is a players. , but the more you put a players into an interview, the more people might shy and not hire those a players, because they're scared that they're gonna challenge them too much or that they're gonna surpass them or they're, you know, so I'm kind of going off a couple different tangents here because I'm relating it to our situation, our recruiters in general and just the market on how what's acceptable.

Brianna Rooney:
And when, when do we find that fine line and how do you, you know, mesh and grow together and it's, it's not a competition, you know?

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. I do. I think, I think this is where like healthy competition comes into play. Like I, I definitely think if it's negative competition, if it's, it's, you're constant, like we were talking about social media constantly comparing yourself to people and things that it's just like, this is not apples to apples, you know, mm-hmm, , I think there's a good level of competition. As I know you do, that's healthy. That's like, okay, this person I'm, they're gonna make me up level myself. Yeah. And then there's that negative competition. That's just like, okay. Like I said, it's not apples to apples. You're, it's only a, it's a lose lose. If you try to compare yourself to that person or your situation of that situation, it's just not apples to apples. So I think within reason, you know, there, I like competition. I think it's fun. Um, but I don't like, like negative competition. I, who would right where it's like,

Brianna Rooney:
Yeah, right. It Getsy, it feels gross. I think a lot of recruiters are in Sharky environments. Um, I know I used to be, and it just felt gross. Like I even had a boss that said, um, don't give your tips to anybody else. and I was like, huh, okay. And so like, would secretly give tips to everybody else and realize why are you clipping my wings? Um, but that's all interesting. It all plays into burnout because if you're chasing, you know, these purple squirrel unicorns constantly, um, and not, not figuring out like, Hey, like let's realize, what are we doing here? What are we working towards? You do this, I'll do that. You know, that all comes into, um, I guess even just working as a team yeah. And being very vocal. Yeah. And I think that's also what happens in burnout is you're not vocal or you're not, you

Taylor Bradley:
Know, thousand percent, thousand percent. I agree with both of those. And I think it's, I think competition is really healthy, but I think it's also good to be like, okay, you're good at these things. And you're good at that versus us trying to compete to do the same thing or to indivi, you know, not us specifically anybody. Yeah. Trying to compete. It's like, this is your genius. This is mine. Let's live in these spaces. And then how do we merge our worlds together versus it's constantly like a, it can't always be a contest. You know what I mean? Like a, and that's a competitive thing. I think a, you know, a lot of people I've seen a lot of recruiters, like you said, it's kind of, kind of have to be competitive, especially when you're starting in recruiting.

Brianna Rooney:
Oh yeah. When you're starting for sure.

Taylor Bradley:
Mm-hmm . Yeah. And then I think when you get, I, it all goes back to me for me celebrating the wins. Like if you don't celebrate your own wins, you and you're constantly comparing yourself to like, okay, well I did this, but I didn't do that. That person did this, you know, it's like, but did you still win? Is it still a w for you then count that mm-hmm , don't always compare your, even your wins to someone else's wins, you know? And

Brianna Rooney:
Oh yeah. Oh my God. Yes. Yeah. Definitely in recruiting. No, I was just thinking, I'm like, oh my God, there's just so many situations. I was just thinking off the top of my head where it's like, we can have a client and someone gets a win and the other persons don't. And, but it's like, it's not apples to apples. There's different res there's different hiring managers. Um, should they all be, you know, unified in one thing. Yeah, they should be, but they're not, it's people. We are in a people talent business. This is not the same,

Taylor Bradley:
That

Brianna Rooney:
Part. And that's frustrating. Yeah.

Taylor Bradley:
Frustrating. It is. Well, if you apply to our world, like somebody could have a super collaborative hiring manager, just somebody that's amazing that just understands recruiting, sees the value in what we do. And therefore they're gonna probably have a quicker and more successful recruitment cycle and hiring cycle than somebody who is just fighting a manager who, like you said earlier, could be, well, I don't wanna hire, you know, the next me, which I've dealt with this so much in my career. I've had hiring managers that are like, no, one's either, no, one's as good as them. Or they don't want to hire somebody that is as good as them because they see it as competition. So it's like, no one is ever good enough or they're too good. Yeah. And then it's like a lose, lose.

Brianna Rooney:
I just don't understand that. I remember, um, when we, when we first met, I was talking to you, I'm like, oh my God, she knows so much more than me. This is so great. Like we live in two different worlds. It's so interesting. And that's been the fun part. And we talk about, and I love that you named it this way, you know, tech versus Renaissance recruiting. You know, I love that, that by the way, that better catch on everyone, I hope, you know, you don't wanna be called non tech recruiters. It's a Renaissance,

Taylor Bradley:
that we need a name, you know? And I think that, but I think that we really, when I, the more I think about that name too, even, and what Renaissance means, and really like the two differences in the recruiting Renaissance, it really embodies more of the full cycle. Tech is like sniper, you know, full cycle is more like managing relationships and doing all these different things that include onboarding and all these things that, you know, in your world don't exist and you guys don't have to oversee. So I think, I think it's a good name for all encompassing of what non-tech, uh, recruiters do. I hate saying the non, you know.

Brianna Rooney:
Yeah. Yeah. Because I, because I lived in tech, I didn't care. Right. But I was like, ah, yeah. Now we have lots of Renaissance recruiters here, you know, including that's where your, your world is. And it's like, yeah, it's opened my eyes to so many things. And again, like you're in a more talented space. I mean, because like, I, I, we never have to write job descriptions. Are you kidding me? Like, no way you guys can, you guys do, that's like something you're like used to, and again, it talks about the, the real full cycle. So there is definitely a difference in, in the tech versus Renaissance. Um, I know we're kind of getting a little off track, but it's because it comes, you know, it comes down to burnout. I think it comes to having conversations. And then the self-awareness when we talk about the resiliency to understand burnout, you have to have both, which is why we had to do the resiliency, you know, part one, two, and then now the burnout part one and two it's it it's goes hand in hand.

Taylor Bradley:
It's all relative. Yeah. And it's, it's one of those things that, again, if I had not experienced it, I, would've never even known that. I was like, oh my God, you went through every single one of those stages and you could have stopped it before it got to where your health was impacted, you know? And it was one of those that I practiced what I preached. I wasn't getting myself the salad, you know, like I was just

Brianna Rooney:
Pouring

Taylor Bradley:
From empty cups to everybody else and I'm like, I could have stopped it. And what I never did was to stop and get myself credit for anything I'd done. It was like, keep pushing, keep going. You know? And I think, again, that's a good quality and a lot of aspects in life, but I, I don't think it's it's, you should always push through the positives. I think you should stop and celebrate those positives. Those

Brianna Rooney:
Wins. I love that.

Taylor Bradley:
But push through the negatives, keep

Brianna Rooney:
Going that really could have been your broke boss. cause I love that so much, but I like, yeah,

Taylor Bradley:
No, well, I think it, I, I think that, okay, let's make that the broke to the boss tip is I think you need to stop and celebrate the wins, the positive wins, but you need to keep pushing through when it's negative. So I think stopping to celebrate, give yourself the w I did that amazing then move forward, but give yourself that moment and give yourself that recognition. Even if it's something small, even if it's a weight loss, whatever it is for you, just give yourself the recognition, then move forward. And then when it's negative, I, I do think it's a positive thing and characteristic to just keep pushing forward. Don't let yourself live in the negative. Yeah. So that's the broke boss, snip

Brianna Rooney:
And something too to note is at every level. Cause again, I think both of us can relate to, we are higher in our careers now we've done a lot, accomplished a lot, seen a lot, all those things. We have a lot to say, obviously here's, science's the podcast, but, um, it's gotten harder as we have gotten more successful. So that alone is, is a, is a tip for sure. It's like, I think about, um, just, just last week my brother goes, you know, what advice do you have for me? Like in my career, I'm making more money now. And I'm like, well, act as if you're not making more money, live your life the same. And that is the same here. Live your life. The same at work. Doesn't matter, you know? Yeah. You have to up level yourself. Yes. Because you have someone that's pushing you as a positive. Yeah. So earn that positive. You earn this positive now, go live in it and enjoy it. Like that's the difference.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely think that's great. I think it's the difference. And I think it's also be able to separate. I'm not you, you're not me. It doesn't always have to be a competition. Some competition is good and healthy. Yeah. And it's like, but either way, celebrate it, whatever it is. If we did have a competition, you won let's stop and celebrate it. Like I, I really think that that's what has been missing for me specifically. I have not done a good enough job. Um, over this last year of stopping to celebrate the wins. I'm great about doing it for my team. I send them messages, send them little goodies. I'm super proud of anything they accomplish, but I do not apply the same views for myself.

Brianna Rooney:
Mm-hmm , which is also on me, because if I'm not doing it for myself, then how can I help you do it for yourself? I mean, yeah.

Taylor Bradley:
Same like how, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot to think about. And we, like we say all the time, we could probably talk about this in six more episodes. We could probably talk about higher hydrant in six episodes. but um, you know, I think these are ones that are, again, it's applicable to everybody, regardless of your, your job level, your industry, um, burnout and resilience, these, these tips, these tricks, these stages, these characteristics, they apply to anybody. And so I hope that you guys enjoyed listening and really see the value in these episodes and, and let us know what you think we'd love to hear from you.

Brianna Rooney:
Yeah, for sure. And read over these again, listen to this again, because knowing the stages like, you know, better, you do better. Right?

Taylor Bradley:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, thank you guys for listening.

Brianna Rooney:
Thank you. See you next Tuesday.

Taylor Bradley:
Bye. All.

Brianna Rooney:
Wait.