Takeover Unfiltered

Brianna Rooney:
Okay. We are back with another amazing episode of talent takeover unfiltered. And this we are going to do is super women in recruiting. First of all, it's super women all together, right. Taylor,

Taylor Bradley:
Right. Women in all industries, but obviously we're in recruiting, so we're gonna stick to what we know, but yes, it's applicable to all women.

Brianna Rooney:
Absolutely. Okay. So obviously don't forget to, uh, stay tuned with the broke to boss tip with our very own tailor. Hello.

Taylor Bradley:
Hey,

Brianna Rooney:
Up had like two intros for you. Uh, so, uh, a little background on why we did this and, and actually, um, you know, of course like we, we record a few episodes at a time, but this one's getting put right in the front. We're gonna go back a little bit because, uh, well, our rights were taken away. So we've got a lot to say,

Brianna Rooney:
Welcome to talent takeover

Taylor Bradley:
Unfiltered

Brianna Rooney:
When it comes to working hard and keeping it real, we know our, self care, happiness, inner peace and time. I'm Brianna Rooney. And this is Taylor Bradley. Hey y'all. And we have thrived in chaos and turned it into in art form. So, Taylor, what are we doing here today?

Taylor Bradley:
We're here to give you a raw under the hood view of all things recruiting and finally give credit where credit is due to a long underrated industry. That's full of quote unquote experts.

Brianna Rooney:
All right. Well then let's take this show

Brianna Rooney:
To the road,

Taylor Bradley:
Big facts. There's a lot to talk about. I know a lot of women are feeling this way right now. It's like, and, and we're so fortunate to have this outlet to be able to come and just vent, shoot the and just sometimes because sometimes you just need to get out and specifically to other women, you know, like it's, it's, it hits different when you're talking to each other versus talking to a man. Although we do have, you know, I know spouses, partners, husbands, whoever that are very supportive with what's going on and how we're all feeling. Um, it's just different when you talk to other women.

Brianna Rooney:
It is. So that Friday that the, the news came out, holy moly was the link. LinkedIn was just blowing up. Even people that don't really respond. It's not really a political, you know, platform. I mean, it's not really at all. And we just saw people, just hearts just come out. And what I really love, I mean, it loved quite a few of them and it was so true, but it was funny, this one guy posted, and it was just basically like, listen up men, especially you white middle-aged men, this is not your time to speak. And I was like, oh, have a seat. yeah. Coming from man. Of course it was like, you know, it was, it was nice, but yeah, it was more of those have a seat. You do not know how we feel. You are not a woman.

Taylor Bradley:
Right. And yet decisions were made that impact us and our bodies. And I just like, I've really just sit down and like, I simplified it obviously. And the way I just stated it, but really just think about that. Yeah. And think about, uh, just the steps in time we've taken back for that to be removed and then what implications it has. And I was actually, I know what you're talking about on LinkedIn, that it was blowing up, was stories, articles, men commenting men in support right. Of, of women. It was, it was actually really nice and endearing for me to see that, because like you said, it's not a political platform, but this is just so unbelievable that I actually appreciated that people are stepping outside of their comfort zone and speaking up, because this is just atrocious.

Brianna Rooney:
Yeah. It's really sad. And especially because, I mean, pre COVID, we, women were really starting to open more businesses. We were finally seeing more venture capitalist funding and then it's like, COVID hit and oh, well, women have to get back in the, in the kitchen, back in the home. It was just kind of crazy. So we're definitely, um, seeing all that crap. And then I, this just isn't, it's not good timing. I mean, there is no good timing for this to happen, but this was, this was not great.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. I was, um, reading a really good article of Forbes article and it was talking about women and multitasking. And so it said for many ambitious women, the ability to master multitasking was supposed to be our path to success. And the irony of that is, is that it actually made women feel more scattered overworked and underappreciated all while getting passed over for promotions. So despite growing awareness that the multitasking superwoman is an elaborate, elaborate fabrication, duping women into doing more for less, it's not easy to escape the pool of shared cultural expectations.

Brianna Rooney:
So I'll leave that expectation. Yeah. Yes. The expectation part. And it's like, do we put it on ourselves to society? Do it? It's probably both, but it's also learned, right. Everything we we do is, is, is a learned reaction. Um, it's like seeing our parents, seeing our grandparents, um, do all that and that's, Ugh, that's so crazy. So I actually, um, I feel great that I'm able to multitask. And then of course you start reading all of these things like, like, like you're doing right now and seeing how long it actually takes your mind to reset to a new task. And it's like, I might have been able to be multitasking, but I still wasn't in my a hundred percent mind, you know, so

Taylor Bradley:
True. So true. And I think about that all the time, because I'm like, I I'm constantly, I'm really working on it, but I'm constantly not mentally present in where I'm supposed to be. I actually had this, um, meme that I shared with somebody on our team that was like, I don't have one train of thought. I have four trainers of thoughts. They're all crossing each other, going in different directions. And the commanders are screaming, you know, it's like, and that really is how I feel like my mind works. But, um, you know, I think it just creates its vicious cycle in women where we take on more, but we fall behind in the ways that count. So in our mental health, in our self care, um, but we just feel like we have to keep on taking on more to prove ourselves. So these statistics showed that men are more likely to receive promotions based on the hypothetical work they'll do or business outcomes they'll achieve. Whereas women are expected to produce in that role first, before receiving a promotion. So I thought that was really interesting

Brianna Rooney:
That I would love to know where all these reports come from. That is very interesting, cuz really in, in theory, everyone should be doing the role that they're getting promoted for. So you can make sure that you're doing it correctly. Right. You're not set up for failure. Right. That's so interesting that it's a man verse woman thing. So, uh, when I started techies, um, 2009, I had a male business partner and he was . He was convinced that because I was a woman. That's why I did better that if so I challenged him. I said, okay, cuz obviously LinkedIn, you know, LinkedIn's secure, but not like it was back then. Right. It's just getting better now. But um, he was like, oh, go ahead. Be a woman on LinkedIn. Right. So he put this hot picture of some woman that he knew on LinkedIn changed his name, did all that stuff and did the same job that we do every single day. And then I'd be like, and I'll, I'll take your phone calls. Right? So like, we can keep up with this facade you say is, is working. Um, it failed miserably. Yes. Did he? I know, right. I was so. You have no idea how I was

Taylor Bradley:
I was like waiting to hear how this went. Like I was like, I might throw this bottle of sanitizer. If you tell me he

Brianna Rooney:
Won, he did not win. He did not win because guess what? I, he doesn't, you know, it, that's still his own messaging. You know? You don't think like a woman you'd also, you're not able to move as quickly and nimble. Like there's just so many things I feel like, and I don't wanna make this a, a battle against men and women, but it's like, just give us the respect we deserve. And this is why I think women are really good in recruiting. It goes back to, yes, we are just used to doing more moving faster, complaining less

Taylor Bradley:
We're built for this is what you're

Brianna Rooney:
Saying. Yeah. We are built for this.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah, no, I think about that all. I mean, think about we're the ones that have babies, you know, like the pain tolerance there. I, I just think about things all the time and I'm like, you know, they say women are more emotional, whatever some can be. But I also look at that like a good thing. I know being an empath in my world, I feel like it's a good thing. I feel like being able to relate to people's feelings, especially in business, when you put your consumer hat on and say, how would this feel if somebody went through this or they experienced this or ran into this, you know, it's, you really have, you have to have the ability or I feel like most women do, or, you know, it's whether learned or it's just ingrained in you to be able to wear multiple hats and think about things from different perspectives.

Taylor Bradley:
Especially I know you and I are like always thinking about our kids like, oh, you know, well, it will be like to see them excited. We were just talking about the 4th of July guys and what our plans were, but to see them, you know, we go, we Lu all the. I've got a wagon, 16 blankets, four coolers, you know, all these things and lawn chairs and all that stuff. And you had to park really far and walk really far I'm drenched and sweating and sweat, you know, like just walking down, we had to walk probably about a mile with all this. And then of course on the way back, my kids weren't in the wagon. Yeah.

Brianna Rooney:
But just another sleeping.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah, exactly. But it's how happy they were, you know, that was, was like, it makes it all worth it, you know? And I just definitely think that's something like, we're always thinking about what our kids need at all times, but then we're also really, really focused on work and business too, and trying to be successful there. And the article I read talked a lot about shifting, shifting from different mindsets when you multitask. And it, it, it says something that just kind of, I wrote it down. So it just would stick with me. I'm gonna put it on our sticky notes and do what we do. But it says when multitasking pulls focus, it also erodes the ability to enter the deep thinking state of flow or the optimal state of mind at which we feel and perform our best add in distractions of modernity, from slack to email, to the daycare group, chat, blowing up about your spirit day. And for many women, the state of productive flow is elusive. And that gave me chills because I was like, that's so true. You know, you do have the, the abs flow up on your phone with the message from the kids' school. I mean, I know when my kids school calls, I'm like, what is it? What happened your stomach

Brianna Rooney:

Taylor Bradley:
Exactly. And then, and then you're distracted on all these things you have to do for work or all the things that you have to do for your, your home life. And sometimes I'm just like, oh, why us, you know, why, why were we the chosen ones?

Brianna Rooney:
Well, okay. You're bringing up a couple things, one really quick statement. Um, and ex-husband let me say that again. Uh, he used to tell me if I would, I could basically about having kids. If I could have been the one to do it, I would have like, you can't shut up. We're moving forward anyways. Yeah, that . But um, I think about, uh, decision fatigue. Yeah. I think that's a real thing. And I really think that it's primarily with, um, with women and obviously with, with mothers, but we think about how, like we think about our kids and, um, what was interesting is on that Friday that it was announced that we have no rights. Uh, I was going on a Vegas vacation with my mom mm-hmm and I gotta tell you it wasn't totally looking forward to it. Vegas just isn't my jam.

Brianna Rooney:
It's her jam. And I'm like, Ugh, God, um, she's such a gambler. I'm like, this is gonna be a long weekend. Well, all, all those things, right. I was super negative, which was not like me, but I think I was again, not present. And I was thinking more about the work I should be doing as opposed to going to Vegas with my mom. So it hit me. We had lots of deep, awesome conversations, by the way, I had a great time and it hit me. Wow. Mom, moms are people like, like it. Why is that? So like huge to say, yes, you, I think you treat your mom as like talk about unconditional love. They're like, I think the true being that have unconditional love and I'm not knocking again, dads, because again, they're amazing. But I just think in general moms are the ones who it's like, yeah, you could do almost anything in the entire universe.

Brianna Rooney:
You could talk to them. You could be mean to them. You could ignore them. They're still gonna call you. They're still gonna care for you. They're still gonna pray for you all those things. And I had that moment with my mom where I felt bad. And I, for the most part, I have a really great relationship with my mom. I think we've had a couple of, you know, tips and turns and stuff, but I never thought to realize, wow, she's a person. She's juggling things. She's working. She is also a wife. She has other kids, you know, there's just so many things. And you, I think you get so selfish by how you treat your mom sometimes. And that made me sad, but it made me at, at the same time, happy, like something I realize and something, okay. I, I, I get it. And I, and this is why I think we wanted to do this, the superwomen and recruiting in general. But anyways, that's my, that's my take

Taylor Bradley:
but that's, what's cool that that's a full circle moment that you had. And like, I mean, it's not like you're even a new mom and came to that realization. You know, it's been, which I, I think is a good thing, by the way it took a, it was like a moment when you're in Vegas, probably dancing on top of tables, knowing y'all, you know, but, and then you have this hard heart and I'm, I'm totally kidding, but I really think that's a cool, full circle moment to be able to be like, wow, I just really realized that despite all X, Y, and Z you're, you're just trying to do your best. Mm-hmm , you're just a, you're not only a mom, but you're a woman, you're a wife, you work and you're just trying to do your best. And I think that, um, the kids' expectations of us are very high.

Taylor Bradley:
I think even as they become adults, like, we're not like, just exactly what you said. We're not really viewed as people almost, wow. We're like these beings here to provide for them to take care of them, to love them unconditionally, because they know that we will. And so it's, it's interesting the dynamics between I'm finding, um, cuz as you, I didn't have those with my mom. I do to the situation. I lost my mom pretty early. So I, I was raised by a man. So I feel like a lot of the stuff like, I, I just don't have that unconditional love feeling that like, no matter what you do, I'll never not speak to you. And so, but I'm really mindful about, I don't want my kids to grow up too soon. Like I had to mm-hmm I want them to stay kids. I want them to wanna come to me when they get hurt and wanna be comforted by me. And I try to really soak up those moments and every time not be annoyed by them, but yeah. I mean, it is hard. I won't say that I won't have those moments where one's having an absolute meltdown. I'm trying to be on a, a work call after hours or something. And I'm just like, Hmm, you give the finger and the eye and I'm, but then I'm like, I

Brianna Rooney:
Feel so bad. You mind the point, your finger, she was giving the pointer finger. Oh

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. And then the eyes, everybody knows the eyes. Oh yeah. Not the middle finger. It's that you hold your finger up and you give them the eyes when it's like, shouldn't be quiet. But I feel like I do that too, too much here lately. And if I'm gonna be honest, I'm like I'm, but I shouldn't be taking calls in the evenings for work. It's it's it's my own. You know, it's like, like I said earlier, it's this vicious cycle that we put ourselves in. And so, you know, at the end of the day, children, aren't looking for perfect mothers, only moms who love 'em deeply. And I think, you know, that article talked a lot about identifying your mom language. And I was like, yes, mm-hmm mom language. That's actually something I've talked to Cheryl about. Cause I was like, Cheryl, Cheryl's

Brianna Rooney:
Our exec coach by the

Taylor Bradley:
Way. Yes. And um, I thought we'd talked about her before, so thought maybe we'd introed her. But I was like, Cheryl, like I I'm very hard on myself and I wanted to hear from her, her how she kind of balanced everything because I was like, I don't wanna get on the floor and play with pipe cleaners and like all that. Um, and I struggle with that with the mom guilt of like, I need to be this crafty person that I'm just inherently not. And so she was like, no, you, you find the way to parent that works for you. And she gave me some examples. And then this article talked about your mom language. So I kind of equate what Cheryl and I, our conversation was, although she didn't phrase it that way, this article kind of did and outline, identify your mom language, what it is that, you know, it was gonna fill your cup up and fill your kids' cup up and not make you feel depleted more like your giving more yeah. Worry from empty cup.

Brianna Rooney:
This goes right into for sure work and recruiting because, um, they even talk about having lingo at work. Mm-hmm so, you know, when, when I was, um, when I had techies, you know, that was 12 years of lingo. So it was very like you came in, we had like a whole doc of basically, Hey, here's like almost not acronyms, but really just here's like some, some words that aren't gonna make sense to you outside of techies, here you go. And we kind of came with a techies dictionary and here we are, you know, building talent per and diversity. And we're still very young in this journey, but like we're realizing because people come from all different walks of life. We got, 'em all, you know, we're remote first. And so people do have different definitions of words and stuff like that. So we're just starting to build that, but that's super important. And just even important in recruiting, which I've noticed is, you know, we have a dedicated TA team like our recruiters, right. And then we have, um, the other side, which is more of like in learning and development, building product, we have instructors, you know, and even just in the different, you know, little mini departments, there's a lingo. Yeah. Um, so that's super interesting and very relatable.

Taylor Bradley:
It is very relatable. Are we ready for our broke to boss tip?

Brianna Rooney:
Let's do it.

Taylor Bradley:
All right. So the broke to boss tip is pretty simple this week, but I know it will resonate with a lot of the mothers out there and working women, but, um, moms can always respond by reevaluating the expectations they place on themselves in the workplace and at home. So I'm gonna say that again. Yeah. Reevaluate, the expectations that you place on yourself in the workplace and at home.

Brianna Rooney:
God, that's great. It is when we think about work too, and I feel like this, this podcast could have been easy, have been an hour easy because we didn't even really get into the recruiting aspect. So thank you all, uh, listeners, hope you appreciate this. This is just something we did off the cuff that we're like we have to, we have to, we have to talk about this. Um, but expectations in the workplace is so strong, but we even talk about that with candidate experience, you know, setting the candidate up for success. But really that goes through interviews that go through who, you know, um, who reports to, to it go levels up levels down. So expectations are huge. And honestly we could even tangent into relationships as well. Oh yeah, we have, we have to set that tone. And um, I think I learned that one the hard way, but uh, now I've learned I've moved forward.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah, I think I'm still working on that one, but I think again, just expectations of what what's doable. What's gonna help you achieve your career success and give your career momentum and as a mom and then say no to what isn't going to do that. Yeah. You know, that's what this thing mm-hmm you have to say, no, it talked about getting sucked up into the task that people don't wanna do that are more behind the scenes. The ones that no one gets credit for the ones that aren't sexy, cuz they're not, they're not in front of everybody's face in glamorous jobs, but it's kind of like the cleanup crew clean up on aisle five, you know, but moms do all of that and I really hate to say it, but I feel like our in being a mom, you're used to having a thankless job.

Taylor Bradley:
And so I feel like that translates over into the workplace and your expectations there is that we don't really require a lot of thanks or a lot of, you know, kudos and all of that stuff that you just, you move in silence because that's what you're used to doing and not really receiving a lot of credit for it. Mm-hmm so I think, yeah. So it talked a lot, a lot about that in the workplace for women that will take on those tasks and we don't require much, we don't require thanks. We don't some big display and show of, Hey, they nailed it or they fixed this or they cleaned this up. Doesn't mean we wouldn't appreciate it, but it's also just like our expectations have even it, the workplace and the home they're, they're just becoming the same or have been, I guess

Brianna Rooney:
That's really interesting. So let's, uh, we'll end on this note because I feel like another topic could be interesting about women, um, leading other women. And does that fit because that, that, that made me think about a couple, a couple things cuz you're right. We, we just need to get the job done. We don't care. Who does it? This topic gets done. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. I

Taylor Bradley:
Can't wait to hear what your thoughts are leading other women. I'm actually really curious for this

Brianna Rooney:
One as we have a women exec team. Yeah.

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. So I'm like, okay, let's get the real real spit out. What is this gonna be about? No, I always get excited for that. Even if they're confrontational. I just like the transparency.

Brianna Rooney:
Have I agree? And we can always learn from each other. That's that's the problem line. So, alright. This, this was awesome. You guys thank you so much for listening again. If you liked it, you enjoyed it. Please pass it forward. And if you're listening to this on apple, we would love those reviews cuz it helps. It inspires us. We just love being here.

Taylor Bradley:
Yes, please, please, please. I say this every time, but please go give us a review or reach out to us. If there's any specific content you liked or anything you wanna hear from us, we would love to hear from you guys. So thanks for your time and thank you for listening all the way through and we will see y'all next week.

Brianna Rooney:
You mean next Tuesday?

Taylor Bradley:
Yeah. That's that's on you to say that one. That's

Brianna Rooney:
Your thing next Tuesday.

Taylor Bradley:
Thanks. Y'all.